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mckinley
Reply to #smnew7a
@movq Group chat is still pretty rough around the edges, especially if you want encryption. I don't use it with my friends. If you need group chat, it's probably better to use something else.
12 hours ago
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lyse
Reply to #c2afqsq
@movq Yeah, I don't get it either. Some "security" scanner at work also complains about "dead" libraries all the time, just because the most recent commit is a few years or even just months old. What a giant joke.

This mindset _might_ come from today's kids who can build stuff only with gazillions of dependencies. And plenty of these suck, are full of bugs, vulnerabilities and bad code in general. So they have to be patched constantly. If one is always surrounded by that, it just feels normal. One might even come to the conclusion that it simply has to naturally be that way. And then, the incorrect deduction is that the project is abandoned, once there are no new commits in a week. It maybe doesn't occur to these people that it is actually possible to work out differently.

To be fair, there is also a lot of unfinished and truly dead code out there. So that assures their theory even further, once they stumble across one of those projects.

And the same doesn't only happen to private projects. All enterprise software systems also pull in so much stuff, that there is always something to update.

The lack of proper planning, just building and delivering buggy banana software in cycles and the mindset of shipping fast and often and doing things agile in general does not do this any favor. It just feels like today's sofware is never ever finished. And if it finally reaches such a point, it must be dead.

I know of some otherwise reeeeaaaaally great software developers who also think that way. I don't understand why they disagree with us here. :-?
16 hours ago
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lyse
Reply to #bl7a36a
@movq Why would that be surprising? :-) They definitely fit my style of music. Well, I don't wanna know how much a ticket is. And the Wasen is also a terrible location. :-D

The overcrowded train was run by GoAhead, the S-Bahn by DB. They're interchangeably bad.

Over fifty kilometers is a very long bike ride. That at least doubles my commute to more than six hours in total. No, thanks. ;-)
17 hours ago
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movq
Reply to #c2afqsq
@lyse

> Then there comes in feature creep.

This is driving me nuts. Everybody thinks that “development has to be kept alive!” When people see a project without commits in the last 2 years, they think it’s dead and not worth using. Bah, why? Software can be “done”. If no bugs are known, then there’s no need to change anything.

All these ideas are old. I’ve heard about much of this from meillo some 15 years ago and he didn’t come up with it, either.

It’s all super unpopular. Why? Many of my projects see a burst of commits in the beginning and then mostly just maintenance – and that’s great. It saves me from so much trouble and work. For example, my X11 wallpaper setter was written in 2017, I’m using it daily all the time, it just works, boom, done.

A project isn’t dead if it doesn’t see commits anymore – it’s dead if nobody *maintains* it anymore.
17 hours ago
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movq
Reply to #smnew7a
@mckinley Last time I tried jabber was probably 10 years ago. How’s group chat these days? Is it comparable to “modern” chat systems, does it feel the same?

I guess it’s irrelevant which platform I’m going to propose as an alternative to WhatsApp. It’s the same old problem: Almost all their contacts are on WhatsApp, so that’s what they want to use, end of story.
18 hours ago
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movq
Reply to #bl7a36a
@lyse You had me in the first half, I thought you were going to their concert. 😅 That would have surprised me.

I had some pleasant experiences with public transportation lately, but that wasn’t Deutsche Bahn.

Would a bike or an ebike be an alternative for you? 🤔
18 hours ago
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movq
Reply to #22exukq
@prologic @bender It’s a twtxt feed that anyone can post to via Gopher: gopher://g.nixers.net/1/%7eanon/

Do we think this is a problem? 🤔 If so, you should be able to contact the admin in #nixers on libera.chat.
18 hours ago
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lyse
Reply to #qtrfeca
@movq It requires heaps of discipline. Lots of.
1 day ago
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lyse
Reply to #c2afqsq
@movq @prologic Good analysis! Another aspect is: Trying out new stuff is appealing to a lot of people. I'm certainly not unguilty of that either. But when you experiment, things will naturally go wrong somewhere at some point. You probably don't even know that at this point in time and realize this only much later. If at all.

To make it better, throwing things away and starting over with the newly aquired knowledge would be the right thing to do. But that doesn't happen for a myriad of reasons. So you ended up with overly complex stuff.

A bit like building a prototype and keeping it alive forever. "Denn nichts hält länger als ein Provisorium." – "Nothing is more definitive than the temporary."

Then there comes in feature creep. And preliminary optim^Wfeatures, "hey, maybe somebody would like to bla in the future, let's add this".
1 day ago
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lyse
I just heard AC/DC play live in Stuttgart-Bad Cannstatt for the first time in my life!

Well, when I was waiting for my train home on the station platform. I didn't recognize that it was Acca Dacca, and I tried hard. In fact, the stage was 500 meters away, so it was just some music-like sound that found its way into my ears. Still kinda cool to know that I heard them live.

I had a barbie with my old workmates. That's why I have a story to tell now. On the way there, the train was hopelessly overcrowded with AC/DC fans. You couldn't fall down, simply impossible. It was like in the videos of Japanese subways, where guards press in passengers to utilize every square centimeter. At later stations, plenty of people didn't get in. Not a chance. This caused quite some delays. And boy, was it hot in there. Streams of sweat running down everywhere.

Originally, I wanted to meet up with a workmate in a city train for the second part of the trip. Due to a signal failure, his train was delayed, though. It got delayed even more and more and was finally cancelled altogether. I eventually got my connecting train while he was still stuck and decided to abort mission and go home after 40 minutes. Catching my connection was another adventure. It was rerouted to another platform, of course without announcement. Because why would you? Fuck the passengers! Luckily, I noticed that it took a different branch at the switch on arrival and ran down and up the stairs to the other platform. The delay counter in this train showed 40 minutes when I finally got off.

With the exception of Acca Dacca, the way home was pleasantly uneventful. Just a few minutes delay and a relatively low passenger volume.

I'm so grateful for not having to experience all this shit on a daily basis anymore. Not looking forward to the next time I have to go into the city. Not at all.
1 day ago
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mckinley
Reply to #smnew7a
@movq I don't have much family and I talk to them on the phone but I've been there on two occasions with friends and Jabber.

> They attribute unrelated things to it, like “I can’t send messages to you, I don’t reach you! It doesn’t work!”

This scenario has played out the same way for me multiple times. It's uncanny.

I have some friends on Jabber now but it took time to make that happen. It helps that Conversations on Android is really good. I just hand them $5 cash and have them buy it on the Play Store so I don't have to answer questions about F-Droid and APK files.

On iOS, I recommend Siskin IM which works most of the time but I need to set it up for them because it doesn't handle captcha registration very well (fields are shown that shouldn't be and it's confusing) and it doesn't enable OMEMO by default (iirc).

I also used to refer to it as "XMPP", but I think that made it worse for me. "Jabber" is much less technical-sounding and some people remember hearing others talk about it.
1 day ago
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movq
Reply to #c2afqsq
@prologic Kind of, yeah. (I wish they wouldn’t focus so much on “elitism”.)
1 day ago
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movq
Regarding complexity budget, slow software, all that:

Very few people do take pride in building simple, elegant, high-quality systems, do they? Why is that? Why are huge shiny things with tons of features more attractive? 🤔

I never explicitly thought about this, to be honest. It was only at the back of my head. And I never tried to teach our younger “students” at work: “Hey, it’s a great achievement to build something simple and elegant. That’s something to be proud of!”

Worse, simple software is often described as “boring”. Yes, in a way, it is boring, because your brain doesn’t have to get into overdrive to understand it. But that’s exactly the point. And it’s *hard to achieve that*! Simple software isn’t just “fewer lines of code”, you have to be pretty clever to solve a problem in a simple and elegant way. So it’s something to be proud of.

Could this be an intuitive, *emotional* way to get more people on board the “simple software”-train? 🤔
2 days ago
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movq
Reply to #z4ivbfq
@lyse Yeah, you’re right. The quality aspect is lacking, too. Sigh. 😅

Focus on quality, focus on “doing it right”, make that your primary goal. And everything else shall fall into place.

If it only were that simple. 🫤😅
2 days ago
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lyse
Reply to #3dpfnpa
@prologic Haha, no, I meant something work-related. ;-)

But you're right, yarnd has potential for improvement, too (what doesn't?). Rest assured, there are several universes between the two. And yarnd is lightyears ahead.
2 days ago
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movq
Reply to #smnew7a
@lyse Yeah, it’s hard(er) with family members. I shouldn’t have started that Matrix stuff – before that, they had an easier time accepting that I don’t use WhatsApp. Now it’s more like “why don’t you switch?”

“Joy of missing out”, eh? :D
2 days ago
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lyse
Reply to #smnew7a
@movq Oh dear, people who have to always get an answer immediately have all sorts of issues. :-( They're dead losses.

I will not use WhatsApp in a million years. It's not worth it. Might be trickier with family members, but I also refuse to use such stuff. It definitely degrades some friends to aquaintances, but oh well. If I don't know what I'm "missing out" on, then I simply cannot miss it. On the positive side, it frees my time for other things. :-)
2 days ago
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lyse
Reply to #z4ivbfq
@movq @prologic Just slowly creating software is not enough. It doesn't cut it. The focus has to be on quality. I see suuuper slow progress in a project, but the quality still totally sucks balls.
2 days ago
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movq
Reply to #smnew7a
@prologic I’ll look into it. 🤔 The good thing is that I *think* some people already use Signal. We’ll see.
2 days ago
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lyse
Reply to #ekqulna
@movq Ta! :-)
2 days ago
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lyse
Reply to #5e6d54a
@movq Yeah, my software is definitely completely irrelevant to everyone else.

I don't send my bank or insurance company any bug report e-mails or the like. I'm talking about mailing software developers or projects. On a side note, though, I've seen lot of (German) companies use GMail & other terrible mail providers. My former employer fell also in this category (so does my current one, but at least I receive all e-mails).
2 days ago
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movq
Reply to #smnew7a
If WhatsApp was just a messenger, I probably wouldn’t be so reluctant to join. But it’s an app that *insists* on running on a smartphone. It has access to so much metadata … Fuck this shit. 🫤
2 days ago
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movq
The “Matrix Experiment”, i.e. running a Matrix server for our family, has failed completely and miserably. People don’t accept it. They attribute unrelated things to it, like “I can’t send messages to you, I don’t reach you! It doesn’t work!” Yes, you do, I get those messages, I just don’t reply quickly enough because I’m at work or simply doing something else.

I’ll probably shut it down.

Nobody cares about privacy. The reasons I bring up in discussions are “too nerdy”. They put *all* their stuff to Google or Apple, so why would messaging be any different? (We’re not even using all those Matrix crypto stuff … That would be insane.)

It’s a lost cause. I’m frustrated.

Will I give in and use WhatsApp instead? Not sure yet.
2 days ago
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xuu
Reply to #uepfgma
I feel like complexity is measured differently at different levels of a project..

- at the function level you use cyclomatic complexity or how many branches internally and how much you need to keep in mind as it calls out to other functions.
- at a file/module level is a balance of the module doing too much against being so granular that you have cross dependency across modules. I have trouble with keeping things dry at this level because it can lead to parts being so abstract or generalized that it adds complexity.
- at a project level i suppose its a matter of how coupled things are across sub-modules.
3 days ago
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xuu
@prologic hey testing a rebuild of yarnd
3 days ago
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hecanjog
Ready for some rain, again
3 days ago
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movq
Reply to #ebsmpza
@prologic I’m not smart/educated enough to come up with a formal spec. 🤔

It’s somewhat telling that the HTMX blogpost also (mostly) only talks about feelings, not hard facts.
3 days ago
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movq
Reply to #z4ivbfq
@prologic How about “now”? 😅

Personally, I’ve been doing this for a long time now. Minimal(-ish), slow pace, no pressure. Works quite well for me. The idea isn’t very popular, though. 🥴
3 days ago
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movq
Reply to #ekqulna
@lyse Awww, nice birdie. Lovely pic. 😊
3 days ago
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movq
> We desperately need to start a Slow Software movement. High quality, intentionally designed, low defect software done at a quarter of the pace for the same price. Because we've been destroying the mental health of developers for the last quarter century, and what do we have to show for it but a giant mess?

https://dice.camp/@uncanny_kate/112724979643603832
3 days ago
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xuu
Reply to #ielhzia
The delete twt is not working.
4 days ago
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xuu
Reply to #ielhzia
What the heck? Mentioning is busted too?
4 days ago
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xuu
Reply to #ielhzia
The delete button doesn't work either.. @prologictwtxt.net?
4 days ago
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xuu
Reply to #ielhzia
So updated. Seems to duplicate here in the ui. And what is this "Read More" on every twt now?
4 days ago
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xuu
Reply to #ielhzia
@prologic Well ain't that grand? I'll get it updated.
4 days ago
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xuu
Reply to #ielhzia
@prologic Well ain't that grand? I'll get it updated
4 days ago
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lyse
Some colored spots in the sky this evening: https://lyse.isobeef.org/abendhimmel-2024-07-14/

Blackbird on a ridge with a slightly colored sky in the background
4 days ago
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movq
Reply to #5e6d54a
@lyse

> Maybe your softwares are just perfect and there are simply no bug reports and contributions required. :-)

Haha. 😂 I guess my software is just way too irrelevant. 😅 Or maybe not. I just don’t know. I should add some telemetry. 😏

> I just also see the issue with smaller mail servers being blocked by the large ones. This also happened to me I believe. My mails just never made it to the people. Or they were ignored, I cannot tell.

To be honest, when I send private email, like insurance stuff or to the bank or similar, I always get a reply. The recipients are German mail servers, usually run by those institutions or individuals. Sometimes it’s MS Outlook or Telekom. In other words, it’s *not* Google. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm …
4 days ago
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lyse
Reply to #q4hmq2q
@prologic Haha, we're already in summer. :-)

@movq No, both are a manmade lakes and ponds, but the fish are real. :-) In fact, the fish are in the much smaller "tadpole pond" as I call it. The tadpoles are now all gone and we've seen tiiiiiny frogs jumping around. But we were not successful in capturing them on film. Maybe fish were brought in these artificial lakes by mankind, too, I don't know. Good question.
4 days ago
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lyse
Reply to #5e6d54a
@movq @prologic Maybe your softwares are just perfect and there are simply no bug reports and contributions required. :-)

I reckon if someone really wanted to participate, they will. Despite where it is hosted.

I just also see the issue with smaller mail servers being blocked by the large ones. This also happened to me I believe. My mails just never made it to the people. Or they were ignored, I cannot tell.
4 days ago
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movq
Reply to #q4hmq2q
@lyse Is that an actual lake? And a fish? It looks so small. I always wonder how fish end up there. 🤔
4 days ago
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movq
Reply to #kuakstq
@prologic Well … 😆
4 days ago
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movq
Reply to #5e6d54a
@prologic

> Should sit down and see what the contributions have been for some of my projects before and after the migration away from Github? 🤔

I might do that for my projects. 🤔

> Maybe it's a discovery problem too?

Yeah, well, apart from my own blog and rarely Mastodon, I don’t really talk about my projects anymore. I used to mention them on forums and reddit and the likes. Forums were really good for that. But I mean, forums are dying out as well, so where *do* you “promote” your projects? 🤔 On Mastodon, it usually gets drowned in the noise.

> I sure hope not, that kind of defeats the point of an ecosystem that is suppose to encourage distributed software development and distributed forms of collaboration. Right? 🤔

It does, yes. Question is, do people actually care about *distributed* development anymore? (Did they ever?)
5 days ago
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movq
Reply to #hc262ja
@prologic No, just a minor injury, as far as I know.
5 days ago
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lyse
My mate and I went on a hike yesterday: https://lyse.isobeef.org/waldspaziergang-2024-07-13/

Three butterflies
5 days ago
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movq
This sums up the Matrix experience: https://cathode.church/@apothecary/112742706806370926
5 days ago
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movq
Reply to #m6737mq
@prologic

> I would never ask anyone to send me patches via Email.

That’s not even what I’m doing, but I just realized that my `bugs.html` page isn’t really clear about that. It *implies* that patches are meant to be sent via email and I’m fine if that happens – but I don’t insist on people doing that. You might as well send me a link to your fork on GitHub or your own server or whatever.

I should clarify that. 🤔
5 days ago
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movq
Reply to #5e6d54a
@prologic Huh, okay, that’s surprising to me. I had thought that Gitea would be easy enough for people to use. I mean, it even has the “Sign in with GitHub” button. 🤔 And it’s not like Gitea is some arcane/archaic tool like Bugzilla, which is just horrible to use.

So … what’s stopping people?

> I'm not sure what else we can do? I'm n**NOT** moving back to Github, ever.

Same. There are alternatives like https://codeberg.org/ now, but does that really help? GitHub was also a small and independent platform once. Are we supposed to “forge hop” (as in “distro hop”) all the time, migrate from the most non-shitty hoster to the next? That can’t be the solution.
5 days ago
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movq
Reply to #hc262ja
@prologic Someone shot at Trump: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd1d31jeyzlo
5 days ago
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movq
I don’t run a bug tracker, instead all my projects link to this page:

https://uninformativ.de/bugs.html

It basically says, when you find a bug, please send me an email.

Now I’ve read this:

https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/programming/EmailVsForgesUnfortunate

I hadn’t thought about this before. That’s a quite valid reason. 🫤 Sadly, it applies to *any* truly independent self-hosted service. That OAuth thingy (“Sign in with GitHub”) might be the only compromise …

(I rarely get any feedback on my projects, btw. jenny might be an exception, because we’re talking about it here sometimes. Overall, the number of bug reports has dropped significantly since I moved away from GitHub.)
5 days ago
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